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One of Ronald Reagan's Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:31 am
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    16. One of Ronald Reagan's first acts as President was to rescind President Carter's directive that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries.
    (A) that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries
    (B) that any chemical be prohibited from sale to other countries that was banned on medical grounds in the United States
    (C) prohibiting the sale to other countries of any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States
    (D) prohibiting that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States is sold to other countries
    (E) that any chemical banned in the United States on medical grounds is prohibited from being sold to other countries

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:52 am
    I am stuck between A and C.
    Help please.

    Confused on whether to use or not to use that

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:52 am
    I am stuck between A and C.
    Help please.

    Confused on whether to use or not to use THAT

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:03 am
    IMO C.

    One of Ronald Reagan's first acts as President was to rescind President Carter's directive that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries.
    (A) that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries
    We need Prohibit + <somebody> + from + Y...form...so this is incorrect.
    This <somebody> is not there.
    Sentence says chemical....be prohibited....infact it should be companies be prohibitied...and not chemical.

    (B) that any chemical be prohibited from sale to other countries that was banned on medical grounds in the United States
    that modifies countries...should be placed next to chemical.

    (C) prohibiting the sale to other countries of any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States
    (D) prohibiting that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States is sold to other countries
    is is wrong tense.

    (E) that any chemical banned in the United States on medical grounds is prohibited from being sold to other countries
    being is wrong tense.

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:38 am
    IMHO - A

    @goelmohit,

    I guess the usage of just "prohibit from " is also acceptable.(Dont remember the source but I came across it smwhere)

    I feel C looks a little convoluted to me esp "... the sale to other countries of any chemical banned on medical grounds ..." and sounded confusing to me.

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:34 am
    graghukalyan wrote:
    I guess the usage of just "prohibit from " is also acceptable.(Dont remember the source but I came across it smwhere)
    As per my understanding and as per Manhattan...only Prohibit X from Y is correct idiom....

    Please correct if I am wrong here...

    Moreover....somebody has to be "prohibited from"...that somebody (i.e. action doer) is not present in A.

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:19 am
    it should be A. directive indicates subjunctive so the "be" in A is needed.

    C looks convoluted to me.

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:44 am
    Why C is wrong, pls, explain

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:44 am
    IMO A

    I think "that" is a must here. We all understand the idiom usage and subjunctive and all that stuff.. so I will not go into that.. it would be repetitive and boring.

    The main point why C is wrong is as follows:

    Let's break the sentence.

    1. One of Ronald Reagan's first acts as President was to rescind (cancel) President Carter's directive
    2. Description of directive: any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries.

    Using prohibiting in C immediately after directive gives a non-sensical meaning that prohibiting was the outcome of Reagon's cancellation of Carter's directive.
    Read it again and you'll see this. But that is not the case. prohibiting was part of the directive that Reagan cancelled.

    and that's the main reason I would choose A as the answer.

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:06 am
    Can someone please tell how the usage of subjunctive in A correct ?

    It is a definite thing that happened in past...there is no uncertainity involved here.....

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:29 am
    goelmohit2002 wrote:
    Can someone please tell how the usage of subjunctive in A correct ?

    It is a definite thing that happened in past...there is no uncertainity involved here.....
    subjunctive mood is typically used in dependent clauses to express wishes, commands, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, or statements that are contrary to fact at present..

    Rescind means to cancel.. that was more like Reagan's command

    So its fine that there's no uncertainty involved. That doesn't make the subjunctive wrong.

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:54 am
    Thanks a ton Mohit.
    I agree with your explanation and will go with C

    Reasons:

    1. A has incorrect idiom as pointed by you: Prohibit X from Y
    2. It looks as if chemicals are being prohibited which is not the case.

    Thanks a ton!!!! You are superb with your explanations!!

    Ashish OA please

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:16 am
    I really dont see any issue with A even on the idiom front.

    Agreed that the right idiom is Prohibit x from y.. but there's nothing wrong in saying x be prohibited from y

    main focus is that you are prohibiting something "from" something... its just that when you use subjunctive, the form becomes the latter i.e. x be prohibited from y

    X = Chemicals
    Y = Sale to other countries.

    now either you say

    1. Prohibit chemicals from sale to other countries

    OR

    2. Chemicals be prohibited from sale to other countries.

    Both are same.

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:13 am
    dumb.doofus wrote:
    main focus is that you are prohibiting something "from" something... its just that when you use subjunctive, the form becomes the latter i.e. x be prohibited from y
    Hi DD,

    As per my opinon....it is not prohibit <something> from <something>

    But prohibit <somebody> from <something>

    here <somebody> is basically the action doer....since action doer is not present in A....so IMO C is correct...

    this action doer IMO can be govt, companies etc. which is missing....in A

    Please tell if I am missing something here.

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    Post Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:13 am
    dumb.doofus wrote:
    I really dont see any issue with A even on the idiom front.

    Agreed that the right idiom is Prohibit x from y.. but there's nothing wrong in saying x be prohibited from y

    main focus is that you are prohibiting something "from" something... its just that when you use subjunctive, the form becomes the latter i.e. x be prohibited from y

    X = Chemicals
    Y = Sale to other countries.


    now either you say

    1. Prohibit chemicals from sale to other countries

    OR

    2. Chemicals be prohibited from sale to other countries.

    Both are same.
    Agreed with DD.

    Another example of such cases will be following:-

    In theory, international civil servants at the United Nations are prohibited from continuing to draw salaries from their own governments; in practice, however, some governments merely substitute living allowances for their employees' paychecks, assigned by them to the United Nations.
    (A) for their employees' paychecks, assigned by them
    (B) for the paychecks of their employees who have been assigned

    The question is again from 1000SC and if you see "prohibited from" is in non-underlined part. That means IDIOM related to prohibited can be modified to:

    X are prohibited from Y
    OR
    X + auxiliary verb + prohibited + from + Y

    Where,
    X = the object/body that is prohibited
    Y = Action

    dumb.doofus wrote:
    main focus is that you are prohibiting something "from" something... its just that when you use subjunctive, the form becomes the latter i.e. x be prohibited from y

    X = Chemicals
    Y = Sale to other countries.

    So,

    @DD: It's not restricted to subjunctive mood. It could be anything.
    @Mohit: There is a big world outside MH-SC book. If we strict to only MH-SC, our knowledge will limited. Let's explore the world Very Happy

    Beside this, Mohit, you forgot your own post about "ing" modifier.

    http://www.beatthegmat.com/ing-modifier-three-different-versions-in-og-t38943.html#162443

    As far as I know that "ing" modifiers are always preceded by comma whereas both option (C) and (D) don't have any comma.
    So how they can be right answers?


    Adiós

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