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Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:01 am
In 1979 lack of rain reduced India's rice production to about 41 million tons, nearly 25 percent less than those of the 1978 harvest.

A: less than those of the 1978 harvest.
B: less than the 1978 harvest.
C: less than 1978.
D: fewer than 1978.
E: less than that of India's 1978 harvest.

OA is B. Why not A ?

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AbdurRakib wrote:
richachampion wrote:
In 1979 lack of rain reduced India's rice production to about 41 million tons, nearly 25 percent less than those of the 1978 harvest.

A: less than those of the 1978 harvest.
Guys, "those of" here refers to the tons. Let us Re-write the Options.
A: less than tons of the 1978 harvest. This option doesn't convey proper meaning, and also less is wrong here. It should be fewer.

Guys as you asked if we changed "those" to "that" - Then the option will look like -
A: less than that of the 1978 harvest.

This creates ambiguity -
Unlike "those of", "that of" can refer to both singular and plural entities.
"that of" would create an ambiguity whether it is tons or production that it is referring to.

Option E makes a little improvement by changing less to fewer, but then again it creates ambiguity by introducing "that of". Apart from this option also is quite wordy and indirect.

Does this all make sense Belisa?
"Unlike "those of", "that of" can refer to both singular and plural entities."

Thanks
I do not have the information handy now, but the information is true when I WILL encounter such problem I will let you know.

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AbdurRakib wrote:
richachampion wrote:
In 1979 lack of rain reduced India's rice production to about 41 million tons, nearly 25 percent less than those of the 1978 harvest.

A: less than those of the 1978 harvest.
Guys, "those of" here refers to the tons. Let us Re-write the Options.
A: less than tons of the 1978 harvest. This option doesn't convey proper meaning, and also less is wrong here. It should be fewer.

Guys as you asked if we changed "those" to "that" - Then the option will look like -
A: less than that of the 1978 harvest.

This creates ambiguity -
Unlike "those of", "that of" can refer to both singular and plural entities.
"that of" would create an ambiguity whether it is tons or production that it is referring to.

Option E makes a little improvement by changing less to fewer, but then again it creates ambiguity by introducing "that of". Apart from this option also is quite wordy and indirect.

Does this all make sense Belisa?
"Unlike "those of", "that of" can refer to both singular and plural entities."

Thanks
I do not have the information handy now, but the information is true when I WILL encounter such problem I will let you know.

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Hey Guys,

I have doubts on the "less/fewer than" split.

"nearly 25 percent" can it refer to 41 millions tons in another sentence??

Let's consider that E) was : fewer than the 1978 harvest

then could it have been the right answer??

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Unlike "those of", "that of" can refer to both singular and plural entities.
Not true.
that of must serve to refer to a SINGULAR antecedent.
those of must serve to refer to a PLURAL antecedent.
Thank You Mr. Hunt,

But there are 2-3 Official question in which that of is referring back to Plural. I do not have those problems handy with me, But I have bookmarked this thread as soon as I get a hold of them I will post those problems here.

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richachampion wrote:
Unlike "those of", "that of" can refer to both singular and plural entities.
Not true.
that of must serve to refer to a SINGULAR antecedent.
those of must serve to refer to a PLURAL antecedent.

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richachampion wrote:
In 1979 lack of rain reduced India's rice production to about 41 million tons, nearly 25 percent less than those of the 1978 harvest.

A: less than those of the 1978 harvest.
Guys, "those of" here refers to the tons. Let us Re-write the Options.
A: less than tons of the 1978 harvest. This option doesn't convey proper meaning, and also less is wrong here. It should be fewer.

Guys as you asked if we changed "those" to "that" - Then the option will look like -
A: less than that of the 1978 harvest.

This creates ambiguity -
Unlike "those of", "that of" can refer to both singular and plural entities.
"that of" would create an ambiguity whether it is tons or production that it is referring to.

Option E makes a little improvement by changing less to fewer, but then again it creates ambiguity by introducing "that of". Apart from this option also is quite wordy and indirect.

Does this all make sense Belisa?
"Unlike "those of", "that of" can refer to both singular and plural entities."

Thanks

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In 1979 lack of rain reduced India's rice production to about 41 million tons, nearly 25 percent less than those of the 1978 harvest.

A: less than those of the 1978 harvest.
Guys, "those of" here refers to the tons. Let us Re-write the Options.
A: less than tons of the 1978 harvest. This option doesn't convey proper meaning, and also less is wrong here. It should be fewer.

Guys as you asked if we changed "those" to "that" - Then the option will look like -
A: less than that of the 1978 harvest.

This creates ambiguity -
Unlike "those of", "that of" can refer to both singular and plural entities.
"that of" would create an ambiguity whether it is tons or production that it is referring to.

Option E makes a little improvement by changing less to fewer, but then again it creates ambiguity by introducing "that of". Apart from this option also is quite wordy and indirect.

Does this all make sense Belisa?

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duongthang wrote:
B comapre " rice production " with "havest" . This is ok.

E compare " rice production in 79" with " rice production in 78" is is ok. Why E is redundant? pls, help.
Please revisit my earlier post, in which I've fleshed out the reasoning.

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B comapre " rice production " with "havest" . This is ok.

E compare " rice production in 79" with " rice production in 78" is is ok. Why E is redundant? pls, help.

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B compare "rice production" with " havest" . This is ok

E compare "rice production in 79" to "rice production in 78". This is ok . Why E is redundant? please, help, thank you.

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