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this, on the other hand, is correct usage.

when you have NUMBER + UNIT OF MEASURE, you should use the terms that are normally reserved for uncountables.
for instance:
i am less than 6 feet tall (not "i am fewer than 6 feet tall")
some of the books cost as little as $2 (not "as few as$2")

there's a rationale behind this - i can explain if you're interested - although the rationale is ultimately irrelevant; you just want to make sure that you understand the rule itself.
Thanks RON..will remember that,, One more TAKEAWAY !~!

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I have one more example...where LESS is used this way...

Even though the direct costs of malpractice disputes amounted to less than one percent of the $541 billion the nation spent on health care last year, doctors say fear of lawsuits plays a major role in health-care inflation this, on the other hand, is correct usage. when you have NUMBER + UNIT OF MEASURE, you should use the terms that are normally reserved for uncountables. for instance: i am less than 6 feet tall (not "i am fewer than 6 feet tall") some of the books cost as little as$2 (not "as few as $2") there's a rationale behind this - i can explain if you're interested - although the rationale is ultimately irrelevant; you just want to make sure that you understand the rule itself. _________________ Ron has been teaching various standardized tests for 20 years. -- Pueden hacerle preguntas a Ron en castellano Potete chiedere domande a Ron in italiano On peut poser des questions Ã Ron en franÃ§ais Voit esittÃ¤Ã¤ kysymyksiÃ¤ Ron:lle myÃ¶s suomeksi -- Quand on se sent bien dans un vÃªtement, tout peut arriver. Un bon vÃªtement, c'est un passeport pour le bonheur. Yves Saint-Laurent -- Learn more about ron Free Manhattan Prep online events - The first class of every online Manhattan Prep course is free. Classes start every week. Nina1987 Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts Joined 15 Dec 2015 Posted: 79 messages Followed by: 1 members GMAT Score: 750 Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:45 pm also, can we rule out E and C, simply cuz they violate touch rule ('where', a relative pronoun, wronlgy modifying 'electricity') w/o looking any other errors? thanks Nina1987 Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts Joined 15 Dec 2015 Posted: 79 messages Followed by: 1 members GMAT Score: 750 Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:29 pm Ron, can you explain the rationale pls? Thanks lunarpower wrote: mmslf75 wrote: I have one more example...where LESS is used this way... Even though the direct costs of malpractice disputes amounted to less than one percent of the$541 billion the nation spent on health care last year, doctors say fear of lawsuits plays a major role in health-care inflation
this, on the other hand, is correct usage.

when you have NUMBER + UNIT OF MEASURE, you should use the terms that are normally reserved for uncountables.
for instance:
i am less than 6 feet tall (not "i am fewer than 6 feet tall")
some of the books cost as little as $2 (not "as few as$2")

there's a rationale behind this - i can explain if you're interested - although the rationale is ultimately irrelevant; you just want to make sure that you understand the rule itself.

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Thanks RON..will remember that,, One more TAKEAWAY !~!
you got it.

remember, the takeaways are all that really matters in the end.

good luck

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hmm.

i would agree with you here: it should be "fewer than 1% of homes", because we're still talking about individual homes. (it's an exact correlation to "fewer than one-quarter that many" on the later example; i don't think the gmat uses fractions any differently than it uses percents).

my only possible explanation is that, sometimes, they get sloppy with things that are either
(a) in ALL of the choices, or
(b) in the non-underlined part.
things that are in these locations don't contribute to the solution of the problem, so they can afford the sloppiness ... but still, it's not a good thing for those of you who are trying to learn!

as another example, there's a problem, somewhere in the OG, whose solution actually boils down to "estimated at" vs. "estimated to be" - i.e., this is the ONLY thing separating the correct answer from one of the incorrect answers - and the solution says that "estimated at AGE" is wrong and "estimated to be AGE" is correct.
but then they turn around and do this:
http://www.beatthegmat.com/sc-with-surface-temperatures-estimated-at-minus-230-degrees-t43734.html

i can only surmise that the same sort of thing is happening here.

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x2suresh wrote:
mmslf75 wrote:
aroon7 wrote:
In the major cities of industrialized countries at the end of the nineteenth century, important public places such as theaters, restaurants, shops and banks had installed electric lighting, but electricity was in less than one percent of homes, where lighting was still provided mainly by candles or gas

B) electricity was in less than one percent of homes and lighting still
C) there were less than one percent of homes with electricity, where lighting was still being
D) there was less then one percent of homes that had electricity, having lighting that was still
E) less than one percent of homes had electricity, where lighting had still been

OA - A. Is this option not comparing electricity with theatres, restaurants...
OA is A here, I have no issues in understanding why it is so..

The one thing that disturbs me is the use of LESS, here for number of homes ??
Don't u think its awkward...

It should have been few right ?????

I have one more example...where LESS is used this way...

Even though the direct costs of malpractice disputes amounted to less than one percent of the $541 billion the nation spent on health care last year, doctors say fear of lawsuits plays a major role in health-care inflation Now less than 1% if 541b$ is a value...so why LESS used here ??

Indeed, an other example

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950s, some 4,000 existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many
A. there are less than one-quarter that many
B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many
C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount
D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount
E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount

OA is B...

Please note I am not doubting the correctness of the anwers ... but would like to have inputs on this concept..
First two examples.. we are taking about percentage (%) not the number

How much percentage ? --> sounds good right
How many percentage? --> Not correct.
% is uncountable --> less is appropriate here.

Last example we are taking about numbers (Drive-ins are countable)
How many marks? -->not correct
How much marks? --> few is appropriate here..
I got fewer marks than you .
I got less percentage than you.

I hope this clears your doubt
Agreed, but literal meaning will require usage of "FEW"... I am confused..>!!

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IMO A becoz ...

where correctly refers to homes

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Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:25 pm
mmslf75 wrote:
aroon7 wrote:
In the major cities of industrialized countries at the end of the nineteenth century, important public places such as theaters, restaurants, shops and banks had installed electric lighting, but electricity was in less than one percent of homes, where lighting was still provided mainly by candles or gas

B) electricity was in less than one percent of homes and lighting still
C) there were less than one percent of homes with electricity, where lighting was still being
D) there was less then one percent of homes that had electricity, having lighting that was still
E) less than one percent of homes had electricity, where lighting had still been

OA - A. Is this option not comparing electricity with theatres, restaurants...
OA is A here, I have no issues in understanding why it is so..

The one thing that disturbs me is the use of LESS, here for number of homes ??
Don't u think its awkward...

It should have been few right ?????

I have one more example...where LESS is used this way...

Even though the direct costs of malpractice disputes amounted to less than one percent of the $541 billion the nation spent on health care last year, doctors say fear of lawsuits plays a major role in health-care inflation Now less than 1% if 541b$ is a value...so why LESS used here ??

Indeed, an other example

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950s, some 4,000 existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many
A. there are less than one-quarter that many
B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many
C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount
D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount
E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount

OA is B...

Please note I am not doubting the correctness of the anwers ... but would like to have inputs on this concept..
First two examples.. we are taking about percentage (%) not the number

How much percentage ? --> sounds good right
How many percentage? --> Not correct.
% is uncountable --> less is appropriate here.

Last example we are taking about numbers (Drive-ins are countable)
How many marks? -->not correct
How much marks? --> few is appropriate here..
I got fewer marks than you .
I got less percentage than you.

I hope this clears your doubt

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aroon7 wrote:
In the major cities of industrialized countries at the end of the nineteenth century, important public places such as theaters, restaurants, shops and banks had installed electric lighting, but electricity was in less than one percent of homes, where lighting was still provided mainly by candles or gas

B) electricity was in less than one percent of homes and lighting still
C) there were less than one percent of homes with electricity, where lighting was still being
D) there was less then one percent of homes that had electricity, having lighting that was still
E) less than one percent of homes had electricity, where lighting had still been

OA - A. Is this option not comparing electricity with theatres, restaurants...
OA is A here, I have no issues in understanding why it is so..

The one thing that disturbs me is the use of LESS, here for number of homes ??
Don't u think its awkward...

It should have been few right ?????

I have one more example...where LESS is used this way...

Even though the direct costs of malpractice disputes amounted to less than one percent of the $541 billion the nation spent on health care last year, doctors say fear of lawsuits plays a major role in health-care inflation Now less than 1% if 541b$ is a value...so why LESS used here ??

Indeed, an other example

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950s, some 4,000 existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many
A. there are less than one-quarter that many
B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many
C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount
D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount
E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount

OA is B...

Please note I am not doubting the correctness of the anwers ... but would like to have inputs on this concept..

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piyush_nitt wrote:
aroon7 wrote:
In the major cities of industrialized countries at the end of the nineteenth century, important public places such as theaters, restaurants, shops and banks had installed electric lighting, but electricity was in less than one percent of homes, where lighting was still provided mainly by candles or gas

B) electricity was in less than one percent of homes and lighting still
C) there were less than one percent of homes with electricity, where lighting was still being
D) there was less then one percent of homes that had electricity, having lighting that was still
E) less than one percent of homes had electricity, where lighting had still been

OA - A. Is this option not comparing electricity with theatres, restaurants...
Aaroon ,

As far as my understanding we don't use BUT for comparisons. BUT is used in sentences where author wants to show a "contrast". For comparsion , generally like or As is used.

I think its quite easy to choose a right choice in this sentence, if you look at the "where" clause. where should refer to home.

B) electricity was in less than one percent of homes and lighting still
C) there were less than one percent of homes with electricity, where lighting was still being -
D) there was less then one percent of homes that had electricity, having lighting that was still - electricity having lighting wrong
E) less than one percent of homes had electricity, where lighting had still been
thanks Pyuish!
i chose E

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aroon7 wrote:
In the major cities of industrialized countries at the end of the nineteenth century, important public places such as theaters, restaurants, shops and banks had installed electric lighting, but electricity was in less than one percent of homes, where lighting was still provided mainly by candles or gas

B) electricity was in less than one percent of homes and lighting still
C) there were less than one percent of homes with electricity, where lighting was still being
D) there was less then one percent of homes that had electricity, having lighting that was still
E) less than one percent of homes had electricity, where lighting had still been

OA - A. Is this option not comparing electricity with theatres, restaurants...
Aaroon ,

As far as my understanding we don't use BUT for comparisons. BUT is used in sentences where author wants to show a "contrast". For comparsion , generally like or As is used.

I think its quite easy to choose a right choice in this sentence, if you look at the "where" clause. where should refer to home.

B) electricity was in less than one percent of homes and lighting still
C) there were less than one percent of homes with electricity, where lighting was still being -
D) there was less then one percent of homes that had electricity, having lighting that was still - electricity having lighting wrong
E) less than one percent of homes had electricity, where lighting had still been

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