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Topic: Challenging MGmat Question
Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:03 pm

By applying optimization techniques commonly used to plan operations, it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company's products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms. it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company's products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms a company's managers can determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of the company's products in order to meet its short and long term goals it can be determined by company managers how much effort ought to be devoted to each of the company's products in order to meet its goals, both short and long term it may be possible for company managers to determine how much effort should be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company's short and long term goals managers at a company can determine how much effort ought to be dedicated to each of these products in order to meet the company's goals in both the short and long term _________________ Please do not post answers visibly . Please hide them or post them later after the discussion.

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Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:22 pm

The adjective clause at the beginning should refer to a subject during the 2nd part of the sentence. "B" and "E" shows them. However "B" has some grammatical errors where " in order to meet ITS long term and short term" ITS can refer to company's managers or company's products. Hence "E" should be the answer.

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Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:27 pm

IMO Answer: B B and E are the only ones relevant. E uses " these" which does not have a clear referent. Vinayak

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Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:24 pm

Kenen750 wrote: The adjective clause at the beginning should refer to a subject during the 2nd part of the sentence. "B" and "E" shows them. However "B" has some grammatical errors where " in order to meet ITS long term and short term" ITS can refer to company's managers or company's products. Hence "E" should be the answer. I agree with you . Could someone clarify '' ITS '' in B . The OA : E _________________ Please do not post answers visibly . Please hide them or post them later after the discussion.

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Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:46 pm

perfectstranger wrote: Kenen750 wrote: The adjective clause at the beginning should refer to a subject during the 2nd part of the sentence. "B" and "E" shows them. However "B" has some grammatical errors where " in order to meet ITS long term and short term" ITS can refer to company's managers or company's products. Hence "E" should be the answer. I agree with you . Could someone clarify '' ITS '' in B . The OA : E I don't think "its" can refer to managers, if it were "their" then it could have...i checked this post...and here OA is B. http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentence-correction/115987-modifier.html#post763789 What is your source for this Q? Vinayak

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Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:47 pm

E cannot be the correct answer because the correct idiom is - both the x and the y. E violates that - both the short and long term perfectstranger wrote: Kenen750 wrote: The adjective clause at the beginning should refer to a subject during the 2nd part of the sentence. "B" and "E" shows them. However "B" has some grammatical errors where " in order to meet ITS long term and short term" ITS can refer to company's managers or company's products. Hence "E" should be the answer. I agree with you . Could someone clarify '' ITS '' in B . The OA : E

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Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:39 am

vinayakdl wrote: perfectstranger wrote: Kenen750 wrote: The adjective clause at the beginning should refer to a subject during the 2nd part of the sentence. "B" and "E" shows them. However "B" has some grammatical errors where " in order to meet ITS long term and short term" ITS can refer to company's managers or company's products. Hence "E" should be the answer. I agree with you . Could someone clarify '' ITS '' in B . The OA : E I don't think "its" can refer to managers, if it were "their" then it could have...i checked this post...and here OA is B. http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentence-correction/115987-modifier.html#post763789 What is your source for this Q? Vinayak I doubt the correct answer can be B....there is no referent for its in B.

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Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:44 am

its can refer to possessive company's. a possessive pronoun can refer to a possessive noun _________________ Where a mathematical reasoning can be had, it is as great a folly to make use of any other, as to grope for a thing in the dark, when you have a candle in your hand. � JOHN ARBUTHNOT

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Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:01 am

maihuna wrote: its can refer to possessive company's. a possessive pronoun can refer to a possessive noun Yes got it....Thanks!!! Manhattan too explains this concept....it got slipped from my mind... Thanks.

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Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:30 pm

B it is.. in E "these" is unclear..

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Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:45 pm

IMO B... How can Its (Singular) refer to ManagerS (plural)? An example of possessive pronoun...

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Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:44 pm

By applying optimization techniques commonly used to plan operations, it is possible to determine how much effort ought to be devoted to each of a company's products in order to meet its goals in both the short and long terms. We have to check two rules in this SC. 1. Opening Modifier - Dangling Modifier 2. Pronoun case - Possessive case I have selected the option A, simply because rest of the option uses Managers. But, after some analysis, I figured out why it is wrong. Present participle (-Ing Form) at the begining of a sentence is often made to be dangling. (MGMAT) The opening modifier should modify something or someone who actually uses this. Hence, we need to have managers. Option A eliminated. A Noun and its modifier should touch each other.(MGMAT) Hence, option C and D are eliminated. Now, possessive case. B uses "its". "its" is a possessive case pronoun here. "its" antecedent is Company's. Hence, option B is correct. Option E is wrong for below two reasons, "these" pronoun is ambiguous. idioms.. both the x and the y (I don't know whether it is correct or not) Hope it is useful. If it is wrong, point it out. Rgrds, HHK...

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Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:47 pm

there is another split between B and E... Ought Vs should... Can someone please tell does the above create any difference ?

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Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:19 am

Isn't it usually preached in GMATLAND to avoid should be when used in the subjunctive sentence? Can someone please shed some light on this? _________________ Want to Beat GMAT. Always do what you're afraid to do. Whoooop GMAT

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Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:56 am

kanha81 wrote: Isn't it usually preached in GMATLAND to avoid should be when used in the subjunctive sentence? Can someone please shed some light on this? Can you please help me understand why do u think that B is a subjunctive...

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