Bold face question: delta products _fossil fuel consumption
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:59 am
QuoteOkay..I am clear now.
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:56 pm
Testluv wrote:
not quite. All people living in Toronto are living in Canada. That is to say, because they live in Toronto, they necessarily live in Canada.
Does that mean that all people who live in Canada live in Toronto?
What you are actually talking about in the above is conditional statements (if-then statements).
if x then y does NOT establish that if y then x.
if x then y does establish that if no y, then no x.
At any rate, this does not get tested on the GMAT.
I assume you are asking in attempt to assert that the last sentence's being the conclusion can theoretically be supported by the ideas that preceded it?
The word "since" will ALWAYS signal evidence and not conclusion. (Just as it does in everyday speech.)
And the "content of the conclusion" must be interpreted as "the conclusion." If it were to be interepreted as something else, the question would lose its objectivity, and would be ambiguous. GMAT goes through great pains to remove ambiguity and to ensure that there is only one logically supportable and correct interpretation of every phrase used. (That, in fact, is the main reason the test costs so much to take).
I saw one question in MGMAT that tests this pricipleraghavakumar85 wrote: . But, I noted your point.
Suppose in an argument it is stated that " Because it is X, it is Y" where X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Same statement when re-structured can be stated as " It is Y because it is X" where again X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Am i right?
Hi Raghava,
Testluv wrote:
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
Well, I can't bet on it raghavakumar85 wrote:
If you think the second bold statement is the conclusion, then what do you think is the evidence that supports it?
IMO B (may be after i saw the answer )
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
)
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
. But, I noted your point.
Suppose in an argument it is stated that " Because it is X, it is Y" where X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Same statement when re-structured can be stated as " It is Y because it is X" where again X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Am i right?
not quite. All people living in Toronto are living in Canada. That is to say, because they live in Toronto, they necessarily live in Canada.
Does that mean that all people who live in Canada live in Toronto?
What you are actually talking about in the above is conditional statements (if-then statements).
if x then y does NOT establish that if y then x.
if x then y does establish that if no y, then no x.
At any rate, this does not get tested on the GMAT.
I assume you are asking in attempt to assert that the last sentence's being the conclusion can theoretically be supported by the ideas that preceded it?
The word "since" will ALWAYS signal evidence and not conclusion. (Just as it does in everyday speech.)
And the "content of the conclusion" must be interpreted as "the conclusion." If it were to be interepreted as something else, the question would lose its objectivity, and would be ambiguous. GMAT goes through great pains to remove ambiguity and to ensure that there is only one logically supportable and correct interpretation of every phrase used. (That, in fact, is the main reason the test costs so much to take).
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:05 pm
heshamelaziry wrote:
Yes, I have seen some OG questions testing the distinction between sufficiency and necessity. They are not common but they do exist. In fact, the tiger question posted on this forum a few days ago was testing this concept.
Testluv wrote:
not quite. All people living in Toronto are living in Canada. That is to say, because they live in Toronto, they necessarily live in Canada.
Does that mean that all people who live in Canada live in Toronto?
What you are actually talking about in the above is conditional statements (if-then statements).
if x then y does NOT establish that if y then x.
if x then y does establish that if no y, then no x.
At any rate, this does not get tested on the GMAT.
I assume you are asking in attempt to assert that the last sentence's being the conclusion can theoretically be supported by the ideas that preceded it?
The word "since" will ALWAYS signal evidence and not conclusion. (Just as it does in everyday speech.)
And the "content of the conclusion" must be interpreted as "the conclusion." If it were to be interepreted as something else, the question would lose its objectivity, and would be ambiguous. GMAT goes through great pains to remove ambiguity and to ensure that there is only one logically supportable and correct interpretation of every phrase used. (That, in fact, is the main reason the test costs so much to take).
I saw one question in MGMAT that tests this pricipleraghavakumar85 wrote: . But, I noted your point.
Suppose in an argument it is stated that " Because it is X, it is Y" where X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Same statement when re-structured can be stated as " It is Y because it is X" where again X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Am i right?
Hi Raghava,
Testluv wrote:
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
Well, I can't bet on it raghavakumar85 wrote:
If you think the second bold statement is the conclusion, then what do you think is the evidence that supports it?
IMO B (may be after i saw the answer )
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
)
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
. But, I noted your point.
Suppose in an argument it is stated that " Because it is X, it is Y" where X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Same statement when re-structured can be stated as " It is Y because it is X" where again X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Am i right?
not quite. All people living in Toronto are living in Canada. That is to say, because they live in Toronto, they necessarily live in Canada.
Does that mean that all people who live in Canada live in Toronto?
What you are actually talking about in the above is conditional statements (if-then statements).
if x then y does NOT establish that if y then x.
if x then y does establish that if no y, then no x.
At any rate, this does not get tested on the GMAT.
I assume you are asking in attempt to assert that the last sentence's being the conclusion can theoretically be supported by the ideas that preceded it?
The word "since" will ALWAYS signal evidence and not conclusion. (Just as it does in everyday speech.)
And the "content of the conclusion" must be interpreted as "the conclusion." If it were to be interepreted as something else, the question would lose its objectivity, and would be ambiguous. GMAT goes through great pains to remove ambiguity and to ensure that there is only one logically supportable and correct interpretation of every phrase used. (That, in fact, is the main reason the test costs so much to take).
That said, the OG explicitly states in the OG that formal logic conventions are not tested. For example, a right answer to an inference question will never be the contrapositive of a conditional statement in the passage, etc.
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:55 pm
raghavakumar85 wrote: . But, I noted your point.
Suppose in an argument it is stated that " Because it is X, it is Y" where X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Same statement when re-structured can be stated as " It is Y because it is X" where again X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Am i right?
Yes, actually this is correct. The first time I had read this I thought Raghava was reversing causation...(because that is exactly what one would have to do in order to think that the second bold statement of this passage was conclusion).
Testluv wrote:
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
Well, I can't bet on it raghavakumar85 wrote:
If you think the second bold statement is the conclusion, then what do you think is the evidence that supports it?
IMO B (may be after i saw the answer )
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
)
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
. But, I noted your point.
Suppose in an argument it is stated that " Because it is X, it is Y" where X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Same statement when re-structured can be stated as " It is Y because it is X" where again X is evidence and Y is conclusion.
Am i right?
Anyways, to be clear, all of the following are, of course, equivalent:
Since X, Y
Y, since X
X therefore Y
Y because of X
Because of X, Y
Y due to X
X led to Y
X responsible for Y
etc
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:21 pm
Ok.. Thank you! I was only half satisfied with your response yesterday. 
The causation does not change just because we are changing the sentence structure. If I had said "It is X, because it is Y" as " Because it is X, it is Y" then the meaning and the causation of sentence would have changed. 
The causation does not change just because we are changing the sentence structure. If I had said "It is X, because it is Y" as " Because it is X, it is Y" then the meaning and the causation of sentence would have changed. Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:52 pm
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Testluv wrote:
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
The correct answer for this question is E - as identified by most people on this post.
raghavakumar85 wrote:
If you think the second bold statement is the conclusion, then what do you think is the evidence that supports it?
IMO B (may be after i saw the answer )
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
)
Observe the words carefully. "The answer is yes, since............" Doesn't it mean that it is the content of the conclusion?
Also the THE ANSWER IS YES is just an answer for a question unstated in the argument, but not the conclusion IMO.
Note that E was reported as the OA by the original poster. Typos (even in the OG) have been known to happen. Also, mjjjking's explanation above is very nice.
The correct answer is clearly E. I would be willing to bet a lot of money on it.
In this question the second boldface is " the amount... held constant" whereas in the OG 12 guide the second boldface is the statement "for a given level of output Delta’s operation now causes less fossil fuel to be consumed than it did formerly" , in which case the answer is rightly B
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