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Topic: Beethoven
PostTue Nov 03, 2009 11:59 am

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Despite Beethoven's traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, he is considered by some musicologists to be the last great composer of the Classical era.

Despite Beethoven's traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, he is considered by some musicologists to be the last great composer of the Classical era.

Despite Beethoven's traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, he is considered the last great composer of the Classical era by some musicologists.

Although his status is traditionally as the first great Romantic composer, Beethoven is considered as being the last great composer of the Classical era by some musicologists.

Despite his traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, Beethoven is considered the last great composer of the Classical era by some musicologists.

Although he is traditionally considered to be the first great Romantic composer, some musicologists consider Beethoven as the last great composer of the Classical era.


OA D. I read OE many times and I can't understand why B is less clear or accurate than D.
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PostTue Nov 03, 2009 12:26 pm

Hey there!
You can notice a modifier mistake in B.
"Beethoven's status is considered ..." but the sentence meant that Beethoven is considered.... That is why it is wrong.
Hope it helped.
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PostTue Nov 03, 2009 2:08 pm

A and B are wrong because of "possessive pronoun" problems. <despite B's traditional status....., he....> is wrong. Who does <he> refer to? We only know B's traditional status, not Beethoven himself>. One more thing, "Consider to be" is wrong.
C and E are wrong because of wrong idiom.
Consider as being
Consider to be
Consider as

All are wrong

Consider doesn't need anything.

Therefore D is the answer.

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PostWed Nov 04, 2009 12:30 am

B is wrong because a subject pronoun can't refer back to a possesive noun....he can't refer back to Beethoven's
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PostSun Dec 13, 2009 2:49 am

heshamelaziry wrote:
Despite Beethoven's traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, he is considered by some musicologists to be the last great composer of the Classical era.

Despite Beethoven's traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, he is considered by some musicologists to be the last great composer of the Classical era.

Despite Beethoven's traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, he is considered the last great composer of the Classical era by some musicologists.

Although his status is traditionally as the first great Romantic composer, Beethoven is considered as being the last great composer of the Classical era by some musicologists.

Despite his traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, Beethoven is considered the last great composer of the Classical era by some musicologists.

Although he is traditionally considered to be the first great Romantic composer, some musicologists consider Beethoven as the last great composer of the Classical era.


OA D. I read OE many times and I can't understand why B is less clear or accurate than D.
I have noticed in MGMAT SC book that the posessive prounoun can only refer to posessive noun, here "HIS" in D incorrectly refers to BEETHOVEN ...right ??

Beethoven...should have " 's " right ???

I was confused between D and E and owing to this reason I chose E


What am I missing here ??
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PostSun Dec 13, 2009 8:11 am

a possessive pronoun can refer back/forward to a regular noun, but a regular pronoun cannot refer to a possessive noun.

ie: The teacher was late because his car broke down. <-- correct
The teacher's car broke down and that is why he was late. <-- incorrect
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PostSun Dec 13, 2009 11:45 am

Despite Beethoven's traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, he is considered by some musicologists to be the last great composer of the Classical era.

- He doesn't have a clear antecedent. To use HE, we need BEETHOVEN in the sentence.

Despite Beethoven's traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, he is considered the last great composer of the Classical era by some musicologists.

- Same as A

Although his status is traditionally as the first great Romantic composer, Beethoven is considered as being the last great composer of the Classical era by some musicologists.

- C is wrong because the adverb TRADITIONALLY doesn't have a proper verb. IS TRADITIONALLY AS is wrong.

Despite his traditional status as the first great Romantic composer, Beethoven is considered the last great composer of the Classical era by some musicologists.

- PERFECT. This is the correct answer.

Although he is traditionally considered to be the first great Romantic composer, some musicologists consider Beethoven as the last great composer of the Classical era.

- HE refers to SOME MUSICOLOGISTS

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PostMon Dec 14, 2009 1:32 am

subject pronoun and object pronoun can refer to NOUN, not possesive pronoun

only "possesive pronoun" (her,his...) can refer to possessive noun, on gmat land

Bethoven' English is as good as his musis----- "his" can refer to "Bethoven's "
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PostSat Dec 26, 2009 9:58 am

Received a PM asking about possessive pronouns. I think the confusion is actually about possessive nouns here.

One important thing to note: this is almost never tested on the GMAT. Don't worry about it too much. Smile

If you have a regular noun (something that does not have <'s> at the end), then any type of pronoun can refer to it.

Juliette loves her iPod. The iPod is hers. ("her" and "hers" are in possessive case)
That's Juliette. She has an iPod. ("she" is in subject case)
That's Juliette. Give your iPod to her. ("her" is in object case)

In each case, note that the main noun, Juliette, is not in possessive form. It doesn't say "Juliette's."

Now, let's make Juliette possessive:

Juliette's iPod is her favorite gadget. ("her" is in possessive case - this is okay)
That's Juliette's iPod. She loves it. ("she" is in subject case. This is NOT okay - a subject pronoun can't refer to a possessive noun.)
That's Juliette's iPod. Give it to her. ("her" is in object case. Again, this is NOT okay - an object pronoun can't refer to a possessive noun.)

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PostSat Dec 26, 2009 11:02 am

Stacey Koprince wrote:
Received a PM asking about possessive pronouns. I think the confusion is actually about possessive nouns here.

One important thing to note: this is almost never tested on the GMAT. Don't worry about it too much. Smile

If you have a regular noun (something that does not have <'s> at the end), then any type of pronoun can refer to it.

Juliette loves her iPod. The iPod is hers. ("her" and "hers" are in possessive case)
That's Juliette. She has an iPod. ("she" is in subject case)
That's Juliette. Give your iPod to her. ("her" is in object case)

In each case, note that the main noun, Juliette, is not in possessive form. It doesn't say "Juliette's."

Now, let's make Juliette possessive:

Juliette's iPod is her favorite gadget. ("her" is in possessive case - this is okay)
That's Juliette's iPod. She loves it. ("she" is in subject case. This is NOT okay - a subject pronoun can't refer to a possessive noun.)
That's Juliette's iPod. Give it to her. ("her" is in object case. Again, this is NOT okay - an object pronoun can't refer to a possessive noun.)
Oh .. I thought GMAT will test this, considering the fact that its there in MGMAT Books...
Anyways..get the point
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PostTue Jan 05, 2010 7:28 pm

This is one of the basic things of the Grammar, which we should know by heart.

Like all others said, its D.
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PostTue Jan 05, 2010 8:37 pm

Sorry @A.Kiran I don't mean to offend you but you shouldn't give such comments here. It can be de-motivating for others, who by chance don't know the rule or why the answer is correct.

Remember one of the easiest thing for you can be extremely tough for the other person and the toughest for you can be easiest for the other person.

A.Kiran wrote:
This is one of the basic things of the Grammar, which we should know by heart.
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PostTue Jan 05, 2010 9:17 pm

all right
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PostTue Jan 05, 2010 11:34 pm

A.Kiran wrote:
This is one of the basic things of the Grammar, which we should know by heart.

Like all others said, its D.
I know that this is one of the basic things of Grammar, once u start practicing you will understand what I meant Wink

by the way

1) it's not "THE GRAMMAR" that should be used in such a construction, it should be "GRAMMAR" without usage of "THE"

2) GRAMMAR should not have starting letter in CAPS ( its not a proper noun) !

you should know by heart Wink !
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PostThu Jan 07, 2010 11:23 am

yeah. thats fun way to say.

nice brother.
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