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Acome and Hopi Post Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:00 am
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    The Acoma and Hopi are probably the two oldest surviving Pueblo communities, both dating back at least a thousand years.


    both dating

    both of which have dated

    and each has dated

    and each one dating

    each one of which date

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    Post Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:54 am
    Hi Aditya,
    Nice question
    What is your question? .. and what is the OA?

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    Post Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:14 am
    The Acoma and Hopi are probably the two oldest surviving Pueblo communities, both dating back at least a thousand years.


    both dating -is ok (modifier)

    both of which have dated- not right tense

    and each has dated -no need in "and" , and not right tense

    and each one dating -no need in "and"

    each one of which date- it should be dateS, since each one is singular

    hope it helps

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    Post Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:42 am
    aditya.j wrote:
    The Acoma and Hopi are probably the two oldest surviving Pueblo communities, both dating back at least a thousand years.


    both dating

    both of which have dated

    and each has dated

    and each one dating

    each one of which date
    would go with A for both ( which is used for TWO, mentioned in the passage )
    would select D if the question had more than TWO communities.

    Please correct me if am wrong!

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    Post Sun May 06, 2012 2:32 am
    IMO A
    C,D are wrong - "and" joins 2 Independent Clauses but we need a Dependent Clause
    B,E are wrong because each introduce independent clause without any conjunction

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    Post Sun May 06, 2012 4:57 am
    aditya.j wrote:
    The Acoma and Hopi are probably the two oldest surviving Pueblo communities, both dating back at least a thousand years.


    both dating

    both of which have dated

    and each has dated

    and each one dating

    each one of which date
    This SC is about an ONGOING TRUTH: that the Acoma and Hopi ARE probably the oldest surviving Pueblo communities, both DATING back at least a thousand years. In B and C, the present perfect (has/have dated) cannot be used to express an ONGOING TRUTH. Eliminate B and C.

    In E, one (singular) does not agree with date (plural). Eliminate E.

    In D, each one dating back (noun + modifier) is an ABSOLUTE PHRASE. An absolute phrase should not be connected to the preceding clause with a conjunction such as and. Eliminate D.

    The correct answer is A.

    An absolute phrase:

    -- consists of a noun and a modifier and perhaps a few other words
    -- is connected to an independent clause WITHOUT a conjunction
    -- modifies and provides context for the entire independent clause

    For another example of an absolute phrase, check here:

    http://www.beatthegmat.com/modifier-misc-pr-cat-question-t12037-15.html

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    Post Sun May 06, 2012 6:04 am
    Mitch,
    Can we eliminate B and E because each joins 2 independent clause with a comma(,)

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    Post Sun May 06, 2012 7:24 am
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    Mitch,
    Can we eliminate B and E because each joins 2 independent clause with a comma(,)
    No. The second clause is not independent.

    Which is a relative pronoun: a pronoun that serves to RELATE one part of the sentence to another. Thus, the clauses that follow the commas in B and E are relative clauses. To be specific, they are NON-RESTRICTIVE relative clauses. Typically, a comma is used to connect a non-restrictive relative clause to the preceding clause.

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    Post Sun May 06, 2012 8:10 am
    Mitch,

    Can you comment on the use of 'both'?

    I always tend to suspect an option that includes 'both' and doesn't follow the idiom structure 'both X and Y', and as a result I somehow find an excuse to eliminate that option.

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