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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: A difficult problem Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First,
Angle ADB = 180 - Angle ADC = 180 - 60 = 120

Angle ADB is an exterior angle of triangle ABD, which means it is the sum of two non-adjacent angles. This means:
Angle ADB = Angle CDA + Angle CAD. so,
120 = 60 + Angle CAD => Angle CAD = 120 - 60 = 60

So finally,
x = 180 - Angle CDA - Angle CAD = 180 - 60 - 60 = 60

Answer choice B:

Anyone see it differently?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: My Answer is 90 degree Reply with quote

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Angle ADB + Angle ADC =180
==> Angle ADB = 180 - Angle ADC
= 180 - 60
= 120

Angle BAD = 180 - 120 - 45
= 180 -165
= 15

Angle DAC = 30
As side opposite Angle BAD which is BD is 1 unit and Side opposite Angle DAC which is DC is 2 units so the respective angle DAC is twice of Angle BAD and hence it is equal to 30 degrees

Angle ACD = Angle x = 180- 60 - 30
= 90
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with x=90
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup. I take my answer back - I see where I made the mistake (Angle ADB is not CDA + CAD; rather, it shoud've been ACD + CAD, which doesn't help it to get the answer)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: My Answer is 90 degree Reply with quote

tejpreet wrote:


As side opposite Angle BAD which is BD is 1 unit and Side opposite Angle DAC which is DC is 2 units so the respective angle DAC is twice of Angle BAD and hence it is equal to 30 degrees



I initially got 90 degrees using the same approach but after a bit more
thought, I think it is incorrect to assume that the angles will be in the
same ratio of the sides.

See attached image. One triangle is formed with the red line and another
one with the blue line. We can see that the sides are not in proportion.

Using the angle bisector property, all we can get is AC/CD = AB/BD
or AC = 2*AB. But knowing this alone will not help us in determining x.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jayhawk, u can apply the angle bisector property only when a line bisects an angle..

How did u assume that the angles originating from A are equal or in other words, how did u assume that the line originating from A bisects A.........can u pls explain how did u arrive at the above conclusion...thnkx
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

800GMAT wrote:
jayhawk, u can apply the angle bisector property only when a line bisects an angle..

How did u assume that the angles originating from A are equal or in other words, how did u assume that the line originating from A bisects A.........can u pls explain how did u arrive at the above conclusion...thnkx


Oh yes. I meant to point out the fact that even a bisector can divide the
opposite sites non equally. So, we cannot assume that the angles
will be in the ratio of 2:1 if the line is divided in the ratio of 2:1.
Statement came out the wrong way in the context of the question Smile

Well, essentially I haven't found the correct way to solve this.
I'm sure there's some property of triangles that we can use...just isn't
strikingly clear what that is.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jayhawk,,u r right...
we cannot assume that the angles will be in the ratio of 2:1 if the line is divided in the ratio of 2:1.

so answer cannot be 90 based on this approach
I too am unable to find an approach to solve this problem
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: solution to the Difficult Problem Reply with quote

Hi All the solution to the problem is available @ this link.

http://www.manhattangmat.com/ChallProbLastWk.cfm
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting solution.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for posting the solution.....


I agree...pretty interesting...
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