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by brianm » Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:27 am
dmateer25 wrote:Don't you wish all of the interviews were conversational and not strict Q/A format... Sounds like you did great! If you were to get in, any thought on if you would choose McCombs or Anderson?
Haha yeah seriously. This was definitely the most relaxed interview I've had. I've been very impressed with the UCLA people I've met, from the admissions director to all the alums I've talked to. They seem to consistently express the community feel and "excellence without attitude" that they preach.

I've interviewed at three schools - Kellogg (in mid-January, seems like forever ago), McCombs, and Anderson. I submitted to Haas as well but am not expecting to hear anything from them. It's really hard to say which I would definitely choose. I think given what I want to pursue (high-tech product management), LA and the California geography have strong advantages over schools further east. But the other schools also have really great academic programs and mitigate their distance from the west coast with different on-campus events and off-campus events/treks.

I chose the schools I applied to for specific reasons relating to my future goals and overall feel and culture of the schools, and didn't pick a school that I wouldn't want to attend if I were to get in. So if I'm fortunate enough to get into multiple schools, that's a good problem that I'm going to have to sort out. I can't say right now which I would choose, but I know it would involve more travel to the campuses and spending some extra time in the towns to make 100% sure not only the program is right for me, but also the city and overall environment is a good fit.

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by brianm » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:00 am
Update on my status - just got waitlisted without an interview at Haas. Better than a ding though!

Edit 3/19 - just got the admit call from McCombs!

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by dmateer25 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:15 am
brianm wrote:Update on my status - just got waitlisted without an interview at Haas. Better than a ding though!

Edit 3/19 - just got the admit call from McCombs!
The waitlist is better than a ding, but congrats on the admit to McCombs!

Are you going to reach out to Haas and provide some additional info and show your interest?

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by brianm » Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:29 am
Yeah, I'm going to do what I can to try to get into Haas. I was pretty happy to get waitlisted given their exclusivity/small class size and the fact that I didn't get an interview. They sent out an email with a bunch of different ways to improve your recommendation (general, not specific to my application - they don't provide specific feedback). So I'm going to head out there to interview, submit a few additional recommendations to try to make up for my low quant GMAT score, and write an update on my progress since I submitted my app in December. Next review date is late April with the round 3 apps, so they'll move a bunch of people off the waitlist in early to mid-May.

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by brianm » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:06 pm
Got my ding from Kellogg this afternoon. Sort of had a feeling it was coming, but it's still pretty devastating to actually read the letter after waiting 2 1/2 weeks for a decision. Sigh.

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by dmateer25 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:29 pm
brianm wrote:Got my ding from Kellogg this afternoon. Sort of had a feeling it was coming, but it's still pretty devastating to actually read the letter after waiting 2 1/2 weeks for a decision. Sigh.
Sorry to hear about the ding. So are you just waiting on UCLA now?

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by brianm » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:34 am
Yep, just UCLA now. They've been pretty straightforward with their communication about admissions so I don't expect to hear one way or the other until early next week or on the deadline day of 3/31.

I'm still pretty bummed about Kellogg but I realize I just have to move on. There are a few things I think I did wrong with my application, and at the same time, they really turned me off in a few different ways throughout the admissions process. I don't mean for this to sound like "Kellogg didn't accept me so I'm going to hate them forever wahhhhh" lol, but some things Kellogg did rubbed me the wrong way. I talked to a current Kellogg student about it and he agreed. I know you can't let a few people dramatically affect your impression of the school, but it's hard not to let them sometimes.

Anyways, my dad sent me an article this morning in the WSJ about how to deal with rejection from your #1 school and some famous peoples' stories. It's worth a read: https://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000142 ... _nonsub_pj

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by dmateer25 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:12 pm
brianm wrote:Yep, just UCLA now. They've been pretty straightforward with their communication about admissions so I don't expect to hear one way or the other until early next week or on the deadline day of 3/31.

I'm still pretty bummed about Kellogg but I realize I just have to move on. There are a few things I think I did wrong with my application, and at the same time, they really turned me off in a few different ways throughout the admissions process. I don't mean for this to sound like "Kellogg didn't accept me so I'm going to hate them forever wahhhhh" lol, but some things Kellogg did rubbed me the wrong way. I talked to a current Kellogg student about it and he agreed. I know you can't let a few people dramatically affect your impression of the school, but it's hard not to let them sometimes.

Anyways, my dad sent me an article this morning in the WSJ about how to deal with rejection from your #1 school and some famous peoples' stories. It's worth a read: https://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000142 ... _nonsub_pj
Any chance you would be willing to talk with me about what turned you off about Kellogg? I would be very interested in hearing what happened.


Great article your dad sent you. Seems like just about everybody gets dinged from Harvard!

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by brianm » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:49 pm
dmateer25 wrote:Any chance you would be willing to talk with me about what turned you off about Kellogg? I would be very interested in hearing what happened.


Great article your dad sent you. Seems like just about everybody gets dinged from Harvard!
Sure, I can go into it a little bit of detail. This was just my experience, and I may have had just a string of bad luck on some things. I know from the people I've talked to that it's a great school, but some parts of the admissions process were frustrating for me.

1. I'll get this one out of the way right away - delivering admissions decisions over the course of three weeks is just torture. I don't think a top tier program should deliver results over that long of a window. I understand their class sizes are relatively big, but my personal opinion is that they should release decisions over the course of one week tops.

The big frustration was around my interview (on campus) - it could have been better. Part of it was my fault since I was nervous and it was my first interview. But my interviewer (a first year student) made me sort of uncomfortable. I talked to a current Kellogg student who also interviews, and he said I had almost the exact opposite experience of what they aim for. Since I knew my app was 'on the bubble' so to speak, I knew I needed a good interview. It was unfortunate it wasn't quite up my alley. Since I've interviewed at a few other schools since then, I've seen them conducted much better (in my opinion). Things that turned me off include:

2. The interviewer doesn't see your resume until 15 minutes before your interview. Other schools ask for it a few days in advance. My work is pretty complicated and can be difficult to explain, so that didn't help me during my interview. Also, my interviewer had nothing in common with me, so I had a hard time finding any common ground and had to really simplify my accomplishments, which I think made them sound less impressive. Meanwhile at Texas when I interviewed, they matched me with someone who had a similar pre-MBA background and post-MBA objectives, so I felt much more comfortable talking about things like I usually do.

3. My interviewer was very, very stone faced. I can't expect them to be all friendly to everyone, and I'm very much ok with that, but it was pretty much a strict Q&A, Q&A, etc. for the whole session. Honestly it didn't seem like my interviewer was excited to talk to me from the get go. It didn't seem conversational and I couldn't get a good sense of a collaborative, Kellogg community. My UCLA interview was the complete opposite, and I believe showed the personality and community feel that Kellogg has, but didn't come through in my interview.

4. On the sheet they have you fill out when you get there, you write down your short and long-term goals. For long-term I wrote something about eventually working my way up to becoming CMO of a consumer electronics company. During the interview, my interviewer legitimately asked me what a CMO was. I was sort of dumbfounded, but answered. Then the interviewer moved on to the next question. That was weird...

5. At the end of my interview, my interview closed basically saying, "Ok, I think that's all I think I need to make a decision. Thanks for your time." (quote isn't 100% accurate, but that was the gist of it) I had to rein my interviewer back in to ask my questions - no time was offered to me. I should probably read that as writing on the wall that I didn't do well for the first 30 minutes, but I think they should still offer you time to ask questions.

So, one of the most important interactions with Kellogg turned out to be somewhat underwhelming for me. They probably had the same impression talking to me (lol) but those are the breaks sometimes.

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by dmateer25 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:04 am
That is interesting that you had such a bad experience. I believe student admissions is very competitive, so I am thinking you might have caught the interviewer on a bad day?? I have a hard time believing that admissions at Kellogg would allow someone with that general attitude interact with perspective students. Regardless, it didn't help your chances that the interviewer acted as he/she did.

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by brianm » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:13 pm
Aaaaaaaand waitlisted at UCLA. AAAAAARGH. I'm in a pretty awkward spot now that is going to cost me a decent chunk of change no matter what.

Texas deposit is due April 15 (I'm not 100% sold yet, especially with slight hope for UCLA and Berkeley)
Berkeley additional info is due April 28 for May 8 decision (want to fly there to interview)
UCLA R3 decision is made in mid-May

Thinking my 690 GMAT with Q42 isn't cutting it at these schools so I'm looking to revive my quant knowledge for 2 weeks and re-take the GMAT.

Scenario 1: If by some stroke of pure luck I get into UCLA or Berkeley, I'll go and I'm out my Texas deposit.
Scenario 2: If I don't get into UCLA or Berkeley, I spent a lot of money flying to Berkeley and retaking the GMAT.

Sounds like time for an EV model. Results to come later.

I'm trying not to think about it too much tonight since the UCLA wound is still fresh from this morning, but I'm going to have to decide soon.

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by Supplements » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:51 am
Hi everyone! I just took my GMAT a few weeks ago and looked at this forum fairly frequently in the weeks leading up to the test. I plan on applying for Fall 2012 but thought I'd go ahead and join the party here.


Age: 23
Gender: Male
Current City: Austin, TX
Nationality: American - Chinese
GMAT: 710
GPA: 3.84
Full Time Work Experience: Almost 2 years
Industry: High Tech
Job Function(s): Marketing/Operations
Application year: 2012
How far along in application process: Researching programs.

For target schools I'm still not quite sure. Optimistically I'd like to go to a top 10 (Berkeley sounds pretty ideal to me) but still in the research phase to see how I stack up against the typical candidates for a top tier school.

Everybody here seems really nice/helpful, I look forward to joining in on the forum fun!

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by dmateer25 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:41 pm
Supplements wrote:Hi everyone! I just took my GMAT a few weeks ago and looked at this forum fairly frequently in the weeks leading up to the test. I plan on applying for Fall 2012 but thought I'd go ahead and join the party here.


Age: 23
Gender: Male
Current City: Austin, TX
Nationality: American - Chinese
GMAT: 710
GPA: 3.84
Full Time Work Experience: Almost 2 years
Industry: High Tech
Job Function(s): Marketing/Operations
Application year: 2012
How far along in application process: Researching programs.

For target schools I'm still not quite sure. Optimistically I'd like to go to a top 10 (Berkeley sounds pretty ideal to me) but still in the research phase to see how I stack up against the typical candidates for a top tier school.

Everybody here seems really nice/helpful, I look forward to joining in on the forum fun!
Welcome to the forum! What schools have you started to research other than Haas? Now is a great time to get started so you can be ahead! You already have your GMAT finished, so that is a positive.

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by akamat » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:02 am
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Current City: Piscataway, NJ
Nationality: Asian - Indian
GMAT: scoring around 550 on practice tests, hope to improve a 100 points in the nxt 2 weeks (wish me luck!)
GPA: 3.53
Full Time Work Experience: 6 months
Application year: 2010
How far along in application process: Submitted (waiting on professor to send recommendation, and to take the GMAT).

Schools interested in:

Queens School of Business (Canada)

Richard Ivey School of Business (Canada)


any1 applying to the canadian b-schools? or am I the only fool in the bunch? ;)
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by brianm » Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:48 am
brianm wrote:Aaaaaaaand waitlisted at UCLA. AAAAAARGH. I'm in a pretty awkward spot now that is going to cost me a decent chunk of change no matter what.

Texas deposit is due April 15 (I'm not 100% sold yet, especially with slight hope for UCLA and Berkeley)
Berkeley additional info is due April 28 for May 8 decision (want to fly there to interview)
UCLA R3 decision is made in mid-May

Thinking my 690 GMAT with Q42 isn't cutting it at these schools so I'm looking to revive my quant knowledge for 2 weeks and re-take the GMAT.

Scenario 1: If by some stroke of pure luck I get into UCLA or Berkeley, I'll go and I'm out my Texas deposit.
Scenario 2: If I don't get into UCLA or Berkeley, I spent a lot of money flying to Berkeley and retaking the GMAT.

Sounds like time for an EV model. Results to come later.

I'm trying not to think about it too much tonight since the UCLA wound is still fresh from this morning, but I'm going to have to decide soon.
So I'm quoting myself...sorry about that. I paid my Texas deposit to reserve my spot there.

I flew out to Berkeley last week to interview and was extremely impressed with everything - the people, facilities, professors, interviewer. I'd go there in a heartbeat. It is definitely a top tier school in every sense of the term.

I also just took my GMAT again and got my 690 up to 710 - same V score but upped my quant a few points. Still below the 80th percentile but I'm not complaining (Q44 V42). Feels good to finally break 700 even though I've done it at least 8 times at home. I feel like I almost have a significant sample size of tests to do some statistical analysis haha.

Now just got to submit my update to Berkeley, have my recommenders submit their recos, and cross my fingers!